Both are stuck with out-of-date products, and business models, as competitors have roared past.

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He roared past the depths where the wreckage of the Titanic rests (in the Atlantic Ocean), and at around 21, 000 feet (6, 500 m), beyond the reach of any other submersible today.

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That's an easy thing to say, roared Cobb, when you can throw the ball past any human hitter.

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