But a lot of money managers are thinking Europe is coming out of its years in the black forest.
Stretching some 200km east of the Rhine, from Karlsruhe almost to the Swiss border, the Black Forest is something of a misnomer.
The train let us off at a spacious lodge with restaurants and brilliant views of peaks and valleys that stretched to the Black Forest.
The trail passes through the Black Forest, rising 700m in elevation along mountain paths lined with wild garlic, and eventually presents views of the distant Glarner Alps.
Get lost on the roads that wind their way up and down the hills of the Black Forest, where the summer sun filters through the canopy of trees to dapple the road in front of you.
Raised on a farm near the Black Forest in the spa town of Baden-Baden, about 50km north of Baiersbronn, he said he prefers products in their natural state, thanks to a childhood spent eating gathered food.
In Germany the second most visited place by Chinese tourists after Berlin is Metzingen, a small town in the Black Forest unknown to most Germans, but home to a giant Hugo Boss discount store since joined by another 20-odd factory outlets for designer labels.
Or simply by walking near his home in the idyllic Black Forest, a short drive from the French border and Strasbourg.
The site, which will be home to up to 5, 000 supporters, is two miles away from the picturesque Black Forest town of Achern.
Out of the Black Hawk open doors the immaculate rain forest stretches as far as the eye can see, broken only by pockets of coca fields.
If sipping on imported beers is more to your taste, Der Lindenbaum offers 30 different German beers to enjoy before nibbling the homemade apple strudel and Black Forest cake.
Other locals have embraced the new -- and highly controversial -- Black Forest gateau that can be found in a tin, the brainchild of baker Johannes Ruf who runs the Holzoffenbaeckerei in St Peter.
And since 1997, when the 6-foot-11 Wake Forest grad first donned the silver and black as the NBA draft's No. 1 overall pick, no American sports team has done that job better. it's hard to imagine that's not primarily a product of Duncan's no-nonsense efficiency, though Fratello points out that Popovich and the Spurs' front office -- as well as the personnel it's paired with Duncan -- deserve credit.
As a consequence, the forest is packaged as a black box and effectively ignored.
The luxurious new Black Rock Oceanfront Resort is a curving sweep of glass, steel, and wood beside the rain forest and above a surge channel that boasts the best storm-watching in the West.
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Everywhere there were Obama T-shirts, DVDs and cakes (a black forest cake with an edible picture of the president-to-be and Mama Sarah was a favorite).
The likes of Findus Crispy Pancakes and Birds Eye Potato Waffles were being served up in homes across the UK. New frozen desserts also became popular, such as Black Forest Gateau, Wall's Viennetta and Birds Eye's Arctic Roll.
Then I cut two slices, brushed them with olive oil and added Black Forest ham, a bit of mustard and butterkase cheese before grilling the sandwich.
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