As I sat listening to the Labour pensions debate, delegates all around me were quietly discussing the real complexities of the rival policies.
The pressure put on constituency Labour party delegates not to support the motion seeking to restore the link between pensions and earnings was similarly attacked.
Earlier, delegates at the Labour Party Conference in Manchester held a minute's silence in honour of the two officers.
Delegates cheered as the Labour leader said he wanted to regain the trust of the British people and win the next general election.
Ed Miliband is expected to seek to draw a line under the Blair-Brown era and tell Labour delegates that a new generation is in charge, in his first speech as Labour leader.
She urged International Labour Organization delegates to think of the people of her country as "your own people, your own children, " as she described the hopelessness many young people in Myanmar face.
But what do delegates at the TUC conference think the Labour leadership needs to do?
Indeed, his attack on the Tories was a populist necessity to make up for the lack of the public-spending promises normally necessary to bring Labour delegates to their feet.
He told delegates Labour was in its strongest position since devolution, but the party still needed to change.
In a speech to delegates on Monday, Mr Kenny will say Labour must go into the next election with a leadership the public can connect with, not those "damaged or dented by past mistakes which have not been owned up to".
"I'm proud Labour introduced FoI, however awkward it can be, " the shadow justice secretary told conference delegates in Manchester.
"I want to tell you and everyone at home that Labour may not run the country but we can help you cut your bills today, " she told delegates.
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