Well, I talked about the problem of using plasmids in gene therapy, that it's very difficult to get them into cells.

我们之前讨论过,基因治疗中运用质粒的问题,质粒本身极难进入细胞

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There's a wonderful book by my former colleague, Geoffrey Parker, called The Spanish Road, which talked about how difficult it was for the Spanish to get troops all the way to the Netherlands.

我之前的同事 杰弗里·帕克,写了一本非常好的书,叫做《西班牙之路》,讲述了西班牙是怎么样艰苦地,将军队派遣到荷兰去的

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