"I actually got stuck in a gondola with him. And he was telling me about his experience and how he spent maybe the first five or six years of his career just crashing into fences and blowing up until he finally figured out how to make it all work."

VOA: standard.2010.02.09

But the Greek tragic view does not take either of these routes, which I regard as a relatively easy escape from the problem compared to the way the Greeks got stuck.

但希腊的悲剧意识对这两种套路都不接受,在我看,相对而言,与其困扰于此,古希腊人更愿意逃避这个问题

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