"I knew that they were virtually indestructible.
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These are the planks of his model, that matter is composed of atoms that are indivisible and indestructible.
这些是,他的模型的一些内容,物质是有原子组成的,不可分割且不可毁灭的。
But what Socrates actually says is his actual conclusion is so the soul is indestructible or nearly so.
但是苏格拉底实际上说的是,他实际的结论是,所以灵魂几乎不可摧毁。
Simmias says we can't conclude that the soul is indestructible because we should not believe the subconclusion 4 invisible things can't be destroyed.
他说我们不能得出结论说,灵魂不朽或几乎不朽或其他什么,因为我们不该相信,4这个结论4,即无形的东西不可毁灭。
Things like the platonic form are eternal, and their eternal changeless, indestructible because they are simple.
像柏拉图形式这样的东西是永恒的,而永恒的东西是不变的不可毁灭的,因为它们是简单的。
The worry gets raised by Cebes who says even if we grant the soul is nearly indestructible, that's not good enough to get us immortality.
赛贝斯提出了他的担心,他说,即使我们同意灵魂几乎不可摧毁,也不足以让我们不朽。
And then we'll see that he's going to use his principle to convince us or try to convince us that the soul is imortal, is indestructible.
然后我们会看到他打算,利用这一原理说服我们,或者试图说服我们,灵魂是不朽的,是不可毁灭的。
When he talks about the soul being invisible, and invisible things being indestructible, maybe he means things that can't be observed through any of your five senses.
他谈到灵魂是无形的,无形的东西不会毁灭,也许他指的无形是通过五官,都无法觉察到的东西。
The conclusion that Socrates reaches from his examination of change, invisibiltiy so forth and so on, and compositeness verses simplicity is that the soul is indestructible or nearly so.
苏格拉底通过对,变化,无形,合成,简单等等的,考察得出的结论是,灵魂几乎不可摧毁。
He should have just said the soul is indestructible. Full stop.
他应该说,灵魂是不可摧毁的,句号。
It won't surprise you when Plato looks for an example of something that is eternal and indestructible his mind immedialately starts thinking about the 3 platonic forms. Take the number 3.
当柏拉图寻求,某种永恒,不可毁灭的东西,作为证明例子的时候,你可能不会觉得奇怪他马上想到了,柏拉图形式,比如说数字。
But I want to say, on Plato's behalf, no, it's not, on behalf of the argument, Socrates should never have concluded the argument with this odd qualifying phrase that the soul is indestructible or nearly so.
但是我想代表柏拉图说,不,是代表这个论证,苏格拉底绝不该,在这个结论里,加上这个奇怪的量的修饰词,灵魂几乎是不可摧毁的。
So dispite the fact that Socrates draws this weaker conclusion, it seems to me that the argument he'd offered us, if it works at all, entitles us to draw the bolder conclusion not the soul is indestructible or nearly so, but the soul is indestructible.
因此即便苏格拉底得出的,这个结论力度弱些,我觉得如果这个论证过程可用,那就可以得出更大胆的结论,不是灵魂几乎不可摧毁,而是灵魂不可摧毁。
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