In announcing the award, Templeton officials said "Ayala's clear voice in matters of science and faith echoes the foundation's belief that evolution of the mind and truly open-minded inquiry can lead to real spiritual progress in the world."

VOA: standard.2010.04.05

Maybe when people make the claim, it's not clear which of these things they've got in mind.

也许人们提出这个说法时，他们自己脑中也不清楚是哪一种。

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