It's almost like sitting with the pencil, or the pen, or perhaps the keyboard.

就好比是，坐着，手中拿着铅笔，或钢笔，或是键盘。

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We will equip Jordan, meanwhile, Jordan with a keyboard or an old-school pen.

同时，用一个键盘，或守旧派钢笔来装备。

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