And when Gambetta, whom you can read about,whom I mentioned the other day, when he said,"clericalism,there's the enemy"; and,then you had this sort of campaign against the church, particularly the teaching aspect of the church that's fascinating, which I'll talk about later.

而甘贝塔,你们在书上看过,我之前也提过,他说,教权主义,就是敌人,之后就有一系列反对教会的运动,在反对教义方面尤其精彩,我之后会谈到

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