just being able to keep saying from a person's perspective which is very hard to see when you get very tense and very defensive. And it's just so good for me to have have someone like Saed especially with Saed personally, just to have that gate.

就是能够,从一个个人的角度聊问题,而如果你很紧张就很难做到这一点,很有戒备心的时候就很难，所以我能够,有Saed是非？牡？,有这扇门。

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just being able to keep saying from a person's perspective which is very hard to see when you get very tense and very defensive. And it's just so good for me to have have someone like Saed especially with Saed personally, just to have that gate.

就是能够,从一个个人的角度聊问题,而如果你很紧张就很难做到这一点,很有戒备心的时候就很难，所以我能够,有Saed是非？牡？,有这扇门。

普林斯顿公开课 - 人性课程节选