And what we now see is that-- to see whether that could be the case or not, we've got to get clear in our own minds about whether we believe in a neutral container theory, ... a positive, valuable container theory or-- and among those, between a fantastic and a modest container theory.

现在我们可以看到-,情况是不是这样，我们就要想清楚,我们相信的是中性容器理论，是积极的有价值容器理论还是-,有价值容器理论中的，理想容器理论或保守容器理论。

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