Indeed, he was winning Grammys when he was in his twenties and has been recording sort of esoteric jazz and sometimes more pop jazz thereafter.

的确,他二十岁的时候得过格莱美奖,录过一些小众的爵士乐,之后还录过一些流行爵士乐

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Let's talk about pop music for a second: jazz, rock, hip-hop, blues, that kind of thing.

我们再看一下流行音乐:,爵士,摇滚,嘻哈,蓝调,类似这些音乐

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