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Ah,says the soul theorist, Follow the soul--unless the soul splits, Shelly Kagan in which case neither of them is Shelly Kagan.
灵魂理论者说，跟随灵魂，除非灵魂分裂，那样他们就都不是。
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What's the alternative? The alternative,it seems,for the soul theorist, Shelly Kagan is to say,neither of them is Shelly Kagan.
还有什么选择，灵魂理论者还有的选择，就是说他们都不是。
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Imagine a world in which Kagan exists, but Shelly doesn't exist, because nobody in the world is named Shelly.
想象在一个世界里卡根存在,而薛立不存在,因为这个世界里面没人叫薛立
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Now,looking at the situation from the outside, Shelly Kagan we might be unable to tell which one is really Shelly Kagan.
现在，从外部看一下这个情形，我们也许无法说出谁才是。
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If the soul didn't get destroyed,maybe somebody else that Shelly Kagan we weren't even looking at is Shelly Kagan.
如果灵魂没有被破坏，那么也许,某个根本不相关的人变成了。
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And so if you've imagined Shelly existing then of course you're imagining that single thing, Shelly Kagan, existing.
所以如果想象了薛立存在,那么当然你也就想象了那一个东西,薛立·卡根存在
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Shelly Kagan But if neither of us is Shelly Kagan, then the simple original personality theory was false.
但如果我们都不是，那最初的人格理论就会被证明是错误的。
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I'm going to give her amnesia and then I'm going to drive her crazy Shelly and make her think that she's Shelly.
我先给她洗脑，再把她逼疯,让她认为自己是。
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Shelly Kagan So the only alternative seems to be to say that neither of us is Shelly Kagan.
所以唯一的选择是说我们都不是。
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Shelly Kagan I've got a set of beliefs,a set of--I believe I'm Shelly Kagan, a set of memories about growing up in Chicago.
有一系列的信念，相信自己是，有一系列在芝加哥长大的记忆。
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Shelly Kagan Here,right now I'm standing in front of you saying I'm Shelly Kagan, the guy who was lecturing to you last week.
现在我站在你们面前说我是，上周给你们上课的那个人。
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Shelly Kagan The guy last time thought he was Shelly Kagan, believed he was professor of philosophy.
上次讲课的家伙认为他是，相信他是哲学教授。
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Shelly Kagan For example,the belief that I'm Shelly Kagan, professor of philosophy at Yale University.
比如说，我是，是耶鲁大学哲学教授这个信念。
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Shelly Kagan I believe I'm Shelly Kagan,the guy who was lecturing to you last week.
我相信我就是上周给你们上课的。
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Shelly Kagan So neither of them is going to end up being Shelly Kagan.
他们就都不是。
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Shelly Kagan Whether I,this person talking to you right now, is Shelly Kagan depends on whether there's some duplicate with all my memories in Michigan or not?
现在和你们讲话的人是不是，取决于是否在密歇根有没有一个,带有我的记忆的复制品存在？
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Shelly Kagan Well,the body theory could say neither of them are Shelly Kagan.
肉体理论还能说，他们都不是。
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Shelly Kagan They both think they're Shelly Kagan,and so forth and so on.
他们都认为自己是。
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Shelly Kagan We could say Lefty is Shelly Kagan and Righty is not.
我们可以说小左是。
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Shelly Kagan Since there's no competitor,and I've got the personality,I'm Shelly Kagan.
既然没有竞争对手，我具有正确人格，我就是。
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Shelly Kagan We both have it,yet neither of us is Shelly Kagan.
我们都持有这个证据但却都不是。
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Shelly Kagan Rather,Don't do it to this one,because this is Shelly Kagan.
不要折磨这个因为这是。
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Shelly Kagan After the operation,Lefty wakes up thinking he's Shelly Kagan.
手术之后，小左醒来认为自己是。
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Shelly Kagan We could,I suppose,try to say they're both Shelly Kagan.
可以说他们两人都是。
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Shelly Kagan Then the question is just,which one is Shelly Kagan?
问题就只是，谁才是？
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Shelly Kagan Then of course it's Lefty that is Shelly Kagan.
所以当然小左才是。
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Shelly Kagan And you want to know which one's Shelly Kagan?
你想知道谁是？
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So imagining a world in which Shelly exists but Kagan doesn't or Kagan exists but Shelly doesn't, that's trying to imagine a world in which I exist but I don't.
所以想象在一个世界里薛立存在,而卡根不存在或者卡根存在而薛立不存在,这就像是要想象在一个世界里,我存在而我不存在
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Shelly Kagan And we have to ask ourselves,Who's Shelly Kagan?
我们就要自问，谁才是？
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