So some have noted, one scholar in particular has noted that The struggle with the angel is the final purging of the unsavory qualities of character that marked Jacob's past career.

一些人也意识到，特别是一位学者发现,与天使的斗争是最终净化,净化雅各布过去生涯中不体面的品质。

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If there's something sort of degrading or unnoble about being a person who is going to become a corpse, committing suicide doesn't alter that fundamental fact either.

如果成为一个,将会变成尸体的人,有什么可耻或是不体面的话，自杀也不能改变这个基本的事实。

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That is a very important difference that was, you had to act in such a way as to make life possible and decent, and for the Greeks that always meant being part of a decent community, the polis.

这也是个非常重要的区别,你得活出体面来,对于古希腊人而言就是,成为体面的社区即城邦的一部分

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