What they find instead is a group of former athletes who are determined to win.
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We hear from the campaigners determined to win a place for Guy in the Directors Guild.
This is partly because he is a career politician who is determined to win re-election in four years' time.
Determined to win a medal for his adopted country, Lomong is also focused on making a difference in South Sudan.
Mr Farron said he was expecting it to be a "tough fight" but said the party was "determined to win".
She is only 19 yet she has such a mature head on her shoulders and is so determined to win.
The creative class remains one of the most vibrant slices of the technology market, and Dell is determined to win this crowd over.
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Yet although the new owner was direct and determined to win, he did not meddle in team affairs or dictate to the coaches.
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Montgomerie said the speeches from Ballesteros and Edwards were important and added that his team are determined to win back the trophy they lost in Valhalla in 2008.
America's troops and our coalition partners are determined to win -- and they will win, if we continue to give them the moral and material support they need to do the job.
While he may be having a tough time sparring with his critics, Philippine President Joseph Estrada, far right, is determined to win at least one fight the battle against an expanding waistline.
The German chancellor, Gerhard Schroeder, who was determined to win the post which has normally been held by a Frenchman, was then forced to turn to Mr Koehler, who had served under his predecessor, the Conservative Helmut Kohl.
We've known what it is to lose and we've known what it is to win, and we are determined to fight our way to win.
"I am determined to get a win there, " Keshi told BBC Sport.
Anyone who watched the Heat's 100-67 victory in Saturday's Game 1 knows that the Heat are a determined basketball team eager to win a title, and the Knicks probably need a semester in Prague to find themselves.
All this dovetails nicely with what the analytics types have been telling us: You don't necessarily need a monster centerforward to win and if you're determined to get one, you'll likely overpay.
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Bhutto's political future will be determined by her ability first to win parliamentary elections, and then, says opposition politician Tahir Hussein Mashidi(ph), on how well she delivers.
The pressure of a potential Grand Slam seemed to be weighing heavily on Irish shoulders in the first half at Murrayfield, while a fired-up Scotland came out determined to record only their second win of the campaign.
But Ichiro who had already gone 3-for-4 in the opener was determined to push his team to the win.
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And even he got caught up in the euphoria after this morale-boosting win by a team determined to make fresh headlines of their own.
Captain Chris Gayle admitted on Monday the series had been a disappointment for the West Indies and was determined to end with a morale-boosting win ahead of the World Twenty20 in June.
The two superpowers, America and the Soviet Union, were determined not only to prove their technological prowess but also to win the hearts and minds of the world.
Being determined and persistent is a natural action for those that want to win.
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"I was just really determined today, and I'm happy I was able to win with that type of scoreline, " the Russian said after her passage to the semifinals where she will play former No.1 Ana Ivanovic of Serbia.
The determined Scot had to break a barren run at his home circuit to win the first race, not having won there aboard a superbike since 1995.
Injured, ill and just as determined as ever, the Chicago Bulls beat the Nets 99-93 on Saturday night to win the first-round series.
Irving was determined to keep the Cavs close and he kept launching shots in a shootout he wasn't going to win.
While Memphis did not win the championship that season, all of their wins were vacated because Derrick Rose was determined to be ineligible for the season, after all of those games were won.
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