"To me it's too artificial and it's also the same story that you've seen before with indigenous groups and the white colonial forces coming to destroy them or something like that."

VOA: special.2010.03.01

"And I think the same way you get credit for a lot of the good things that happen, sometimes you have to take the heat for things that go wrong, even though you were not personally responsible in any of the wrong doing."

VOA: standard.2010.04.21