In other words, liberty for the ancients was a collective good, the liberty, as he says, to resist or invade other people.

也就是说，古人的自由是集体的自由,是他们这个集体拥有抵抗和入侵他人的自由，而非每个个体。

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But that sense of collective liberty, the freedom to resist or invade is, in fact, even opposed to the modern idea of liberty that Hobbes proposes.

事实上，这种拥有抵抗，或是入侵他人的集体自由,与霍布斯提出的现代自由是相悖的。

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The Athenians and the Romans," he says, "were free, that is they were free commonwealths, not that any particular man had the liberty to resist his own representative but that his representative had the liberty to resist or invade other people."

霍布斯说，希腊人和罗马人都是自由的，因为他们身在自由的共和国里，他们单独的个体,是没有自由反抗他所选的代表的,但他所选的代表,却有抵抗或是入侵他人的自由“

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