I should have said that as an undergraduate, I worked very closely with my dean of students, Ms Phyllis Hoey who is still a role model for me.

应该说还是本科生的时候，我就在学生处主任Phyllis，Hoey小姐身边工作,她至今仍是我的榜样。

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And that is when I had models like Dorothy Day and I reconnected with my own tradition through verses like Abus and Khalifah, I felt a sense of wholeness.

那时，我以Dorothy，Day等人为榜样,并且重新将我的传统相连,这是通过像阿布和哈里发等这类诗文实现的，我有种完整之感。

普林斯顿公开课 - 人性课程节选