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But secondly again Homer and the poets sing the virtues of men at war.
另外，荷马与其它诗人,歌颂战士的美德；
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So in one of them Joshua's warriors seem to march silently around the city seven times.
在其中一个故事里，约书亚的战士们,不出一声地绕城七次。
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The other thing was the soldiers came back from World War II and they wanted families.
其二就是战士们从二战的沙场上归来,他们想要组建家庭
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After all, go back to the lock-in warriors about the soul theory of personal identity.
回顾我们讨论人格同一性的灵魂论,提到的关于战士的案例。
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The town, the city, the polis does not provide the fighters with their defensive armor.
城邦无法为所有的战士,提供战斗所需的防具
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The new Socratic citizen let's call him that for a moment the new Socratic citizen may have some features in common with the older Homeric warrior.
新型的苏格拉底式公民,姑且这么称呼,这种新型的苏格拉底式公民,可能有些特征还是和旧时的荷马战士很像。
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When you got to be about the age of what you guys are here, Ephebate you might enter the ephebate; Ephebe you'd become an ephebe, and that just meant that you were past your sort of early secondary training and now you were being really in training to be a warrior and a citizen.
等长到差不多你们年纪时，就可以进入;,成为，表明他通过了类似早期中级教育,可以正式接受战士及公民的训练。
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Or Roosevelt, after World War Two, talking about our humility as a nation in the face of the sacrifice of our soldiers, or Lincoln, or Washington, These are people who understood that they were small parts of something much larger.
第二次世界大战之后，罗斯福总统，也讲过一个国家的谦逊,面对战士的牺牲，无论是林肯还是华盛顿，这些人都很请楚,他们都只是很渺小的一部分。
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If you've never seen it, it's a Kirk Douglas movie that's a good movie, and it's about the mutinies on the Western Front, and it's very good. We used to say, well come to 101 and it'll be a film that'll be shown at 8 p.M.
你要是从来没看过,这是一部科克·道格拉斯的电影,好电影,是关于西线战士反叛的故事,非常好,我们总说,欢迎来101教室晚上八点有电影
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Even the Platonic just city will have to cultivate warrior citizens who are prepared to risk life in battle for the sake of their own city.
就算是柏拉图式的正义之城,也都还需要培养战士,一群准备好以生命作赌注,来捍卫其所属城市的公民。
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Again, each of them seems to represent, in a superior way, the key components of the human soul, the appetitive, the war-like or spirited, and the rational.
每一位角色，似乎都代表着，较优秀的人类灵魂的关键构成要素，欲望，战士精神，以及理性。
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So far Plato believes, is a passionate or spirited aspect of nature remains strong so long will be necessary to educate the warriors of society who defend it.
到目前为止,柏拉图相信，如果激情或意志层面的人性,维持强烈的话,就必需,教育保卫社会的战士。
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I mean, isn't it somewhat inefficient to load it really deep, because I assume if a spear is only six feet long, what are people in the back going to be doing?
我觉得,过于厚实的方阵会影响效率,据我所知,长矛也就六尺来长,那站在方阵后方的战士都在干什么呢
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Socrates wants to replace the warrior citizen with a new kind of citizen a whole new set you might say of citizen virtues.
苏格拉底却想要将战士公民,替换成新型态的公民,全新型态的公民美德。
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His interest here is in the creation of a tight, and highly disciplined cadre of young warriors who will protect the city much as watchdogs protect their own home.
他的兴趣,明显是创造一个紧密，且高度自制的,年轻战士骨架,他们将保卫城市,就像看门狗顾家一样。
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The soul is just, he tells us, when the appetites, spiritedness, and reason cooperate with reason, ruling, spirit and appetite, just as in the polis, the philosopher-king rules the warriors and the workers.
他告诉我们，灵魂将是正义的，当欲望，意志及理性，与理性统治，意志,及欲望合作，一如城市中的正义，哲学家国王统治,战士及工人。
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Is that type the common man ? is it found in democracies; those of acquired taste and money as in aristocracies; the warrior; ? or even the priest as in theocracies?
那属于一般大众类型吗,存在于民主之中吗;,或是存于那些得体且富有的,如贵族，战士或甚至是神父中;,如同神权政治吗？
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Okay, now when you're fighting, if you're fortunate enough, and the Greeks were sometimes fortunate enough to fight people who were not hoplites, like when the Persians came at them they fought hoplites against non-hoplites.
好的,当你进行战斗时,如果你运气够好,而希腊人有时也够走运,能和非方阵的战士战斗,比如当波斯人前来叫阵,他们就是以方阵部队对抗非方阵部队
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The question of censorship and the telling of lies is introduced, in other words, as a question of military necessity, controlling the guards or the auxiliaries of the city, its warrior class.
审查的问题,及说谎的导入，换句话说，就像军备的问题，控制守卫人员,或说是城市的后备，战士阶级。
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The virtues endorsed by the poetic tradition of which Aristophanes is the great representative here the great inheritor and representative the virtues of this tradition were the virtues of a warrior culture of war-like peoples and men at war.
诗学传统赞同的美德,亚里斯多芬尼斯是,最佳的代表性人物,最佳的继承人与代表性人物,这项传统的美德,是战士文化的美德,关于好战人士及战场上的人。
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This is why even the best city, even Kallipolis will require, as he spends a great deal of time discussing, will require a warrior class, a class of what he calls "auxiliaries."
这就是为何就算是最优之城，就算是，Kallipolis，仍需要，如他费时讨论，都还是需要战士阶级，一个他称为，“后备的，“阶级“
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But even still when we think of it, if I am a member of the money making class, I am still more than simply a bundle of desires and appetites, just as a member of the warrior class would be clearly more than mere thumos or mere spiritedness.
但即使在我们思考之后，如果我是商人阶级的一员，我仍然不会,只有欲望与渴求，就像如果我是战士阶级的一员,将肯定不会,只有，Thumos，或说意志。
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